Curse

Van vincing · Apr 27, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

well alot of ppl thought bout lyssa wif daggers, but if u fink bout it scythe cud ocassionally deal dmg to 3 targets, and also has a high dmg. Daggers dun always get double strike, n the dmg cannot deal more than 50 even if u hit a caster. All scythe needs is eremites, mystic sweep and heart of fury, and thts all u need to kill everyone

~ Dan ~ · Apr 27, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by neomartian

Refer to my previous post for the reason of my choice of skills.

reap impurities + wounding strike + mark of rodgort = 30e? if you don't use any enchantments, therefore no e-management from mysticism (waste of derv primary then?), where does your energy come from?

Van vincing · Apr 27, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Also remember that there are 2 options u cud pick for enchantments. Are your benefits from enchantments, or the end of enchantments (bomber). Dun ever try to put those 2 together and attempt to only erase the one u want to erase, because thts too risky and it won't work

MBP · Apr 27, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

ok i've been trying these suggestions on my derv...mystic regen, faithful intervention and conviction

and then some low energy cost scythe attacks that don't remove enchantments(eremites attack, mystic and cripple sweeps)being that someone said mysticism works better if the enchants run out on their own; with reaper's sweep for the elite

i use attributes of 15 scythe (11+1+3) 12 myst (11+1) and the remaining in earth with a perfect ancient scythe(15^50, 20/20, 30hp) but i'm still having trouble with the energy management aspects with only 25 energy i'm barely being efficient...is Lyssa's assault a good way to go maybe?

have any tips for better rune management or weapon use? or even an exact skill setup with runes and weapons would be extremely helpful

Van vincing · Apr 28, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

get zealous for ur scythe, its hell alot more useful on scythe than any other class, ull notice ur gaining 3 energy per hit often in pve

Str0b0 · Apr 28, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Try adding a +20% enchant mod to your scythe. It helps immensely. You can use zealous but I find you don't need it if your enchants last just that extra bit longer. It stretches out your Mysticism gain into longer intervals but it gives your natural regen more of a chance to recover. you've got +4 energy regen and that's not too shabby.

Marverick · Apr 28, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Zealous isn't bad although I use Vamp for damage as I don't really have energy problems. But if you're playing an attack spammer, then Zealous is pretty much required, or some external form of e-management.
20% enchanting is great and also helps with e-management due to not casting enchantments as often.
15^50, 20/20, and +30hp all suck for Dervs in PvE.

You have too many attack skills; two or three is enough as Dervish attack skills recharge quickly. I typically use Mystic Sweep, Victorious Sweep (swap to Chilling Victory in RoT), and Wounding Strike (swap to Reaper's Sweep in RoT).
Mystic Regeneration isn't worth it without 13 Earth Prayers. And no Heart of Fury on a weapon build......

MBP · Apr 29, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

ok thanks guys i'll try zealous and enchanting scythes

..is eyes of the forgotten a good scythe to go with?

i really don't want to take apart my pretty perfect scythe...maybe i'll try a W/D build so i can still use it

ohhh...and what is RoT by the way?

Ishtar Serket · Apr 29, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

RoT stands for Realm of Torment. Different tactics are employed there because you need to be able to do a lot of damage to one enemy fast when they use the Call to the Torment skill (I hate that skill).

As for particular weapon, a weapon that increases enchants by 20% is good as is any scythe that causes 15% more damage when you're enchanted. Because of that I use Dwayna's Grace most of the time (it has both of those features plus 20/20 sundering). And I second the use of Wild Blow, its a great skill since it guarantees a critical strike and considering its low energy and has no negative (adrenaline doesn't mean anything to a derv with only that war skill).

Zodiak · Apr 29, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Here is the definate answer when it comes to a scythe for a dervish

Vampiric / Zealous 9-41 / 15% damage while enchanted / 20% Longer Enchantments / CUSTOMIZED

I also chose Vampiric because dervishes have good energy and the tripple hit from a dervish is just so unfair (lol) with a Zealous or Vampiric mod, thats +15 dmg under alot of circumstances, bringing your damage from 9-41 to 24-56 per hit.

Customizing your main scythe is a BIG THING, since dervishes have tremendous spiking power, and having that 20% additional is a BIG THING and a must have.

If your one of those people who doesnt like customzing gold or green weapons, get a crafted or collector weapon, throw on those inscriptions / mods and then CUSTOMIZE it, I can stress that enough.

I also disagree heavily with the comment that Mystic Regeneration isnt worth using unless you have 13 in Earth Prayers. Under 90% of circomstances, a Dervish SHOULD have 3 or more Enchantments on him, giving him +3 Health Regeneration per enchantment for +9 health Regen total, even more if he has 4.

These three being very common.
[skill]faithful intervention[/skill][skill]mystic vigor[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill]

The next thing I can say is Speed Buff. Take advantage of a Dervishes power and then increase its damage output, get a Speed Buff. A Dervish is lucky enough to have one of the longest lasting damage speed increasing skills

[skill]heart of fury[/skill]

Which lasts for an insane amount of time (20 seconds) as far as speed buffs go, plus for 10 Energy, you get a 20 second speed buff and a side effect of it setting everything on fire for X time when it ends. Depending on your rank in Mysticism, it may only end up costing you 6-5 Energy for using it and it recharges quickly.

Since your bare scythe does so much damage, with the enchantments needed to keep you alive and a speed buff if you chose, you really only need 2 or 3 attack skills as mentioned to be an awesome damage dealer

I have enjoyed playing Dervish since the Nightfall Trial weekend and still do. It is one awesome profession

- Zodiak

Marverick · Apr 29, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Get an Ebon Scythe as well; it can be used for Ebon Dust Aura builds and also does more damage to Warriors.

Eyes of the Forgotten isn't that great... +health is unnecessary, 15^50 < 15^enchant.
Even a W/D build will benefit more from a Vamp 15/stance or 15^50 of Defense.... Defense > Fortitude for Dervishes and Warriors. You don't want too much health or mobs won't attack you, and you want mobs to attack you instead of your monk in the back.
Sundering sucks in PvE.

Zodiac, it really depends where you want to focus. If you want survivability, then Mystic Regeneration is fine, but I normally find 104 armor and +18x per hit enough to survive and go full damage with the rest of my bar. The 10e hurts midbattle when you need to renew it, and when you're keeping 4 enchantments up you spend a lot less time attacking.
Of course if you need to tank for the party, Mystic Regeneration is useful.

MBP · Apr 29, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

thanks guys...i've been trying these strats and they seem to work well..i guess i'll put my perfect scythe up for sale since it doesn't really work that much...either that or i'll throw it on melonni

zodiac- your strategy appealed the most to me...would you mind telling me your exact skill bar and rune set up so i can use it to it's fullest?

~ Dan ~ · Apr 29, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by MBP

..is eyes of the forgotten a good scythe to go with?

definitely

used it ever sinced i completed nf, zealous mod for hitting 3 targets is priceless, and the other mods are pretty helpful too.

Zodiak · Apr 30, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by MBP

thanks guys...i've been trying these strats and they seem to work well..i guess i'll put my perfect scythe up for sale since it doesn't really work that much...either that or i'll throw it on melonni

zodiac- your strategy appealed the most to me...would you mind telling me your exact skill bar and rune set up so i can use it to it's fullest?

Well when it comes to Dervishes, unfortunatly builds arent revolutionary, this is what I use, its preatty standard.

D/Mo

Healing Prayers: 8
Scythe Mastery: 11 (9+2)
Earth Prayers: 8 (7+1)
Mysticism: 15 (11+1+3)

You can use one of these variants

[skill]live vicariously[/skill][skill]faithful intervention[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]mystic vigor[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]victorious sweep[/skill][skill]reaper's sweep[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]

[skill]vigorous spirit[/skill][skill]faithful intervention[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]mystic vigor[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]victorious sweep[/skill][skill]reaper's sweep[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]

Some dervishes prefer to go more offensive, some more defensive. I like being able to stay there and take all the damage they can possibly throw at me (granted there are no mesmers, or they dont strip everything at once). If going more offensive, consider something like this.

Remove attributes from Healing and put them in Scythe Mastery, to something around 13

[skill]balthazar's spirit[/skill][skill]faithful intervention[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]mystic vigor[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]victorious sweep[/skill][skill]reaper's sweep[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]

[skill]faithful intervention[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]mystic vigor[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]heart of fury[/skill][skill]victorious sweep[/skill][skill]reaper's sweep[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]

Either way, no matter what build you decide on, you will concentrate on a few "Core" skills and have alternate enchantments or attacks

I DO however bring Heart of Fury most of the time and pay attention to what was said about the perfect Dervish scythe

MBP · Apr 30, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

much appreciated thanks zodiac..i think i'm gonna make 1 of each of your scythes...1 vampiric and 1 zealous

should i always have myst at 15? and are the attribute points i get from nightfall enough or do i need to go to prophecies too?

and 1 more thing...(i know i'm helpless...lol) but could you suggest what insignias to use and other runes in addition to the attribute runes?

TarcellaCella · Apr 30, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

WhoA! That's a lot of replies! O.O I never thought there'd be so many, and they all helped tremendously ^_^
I was trying to get some research going about dervishes because when they first came out, people didn't know how to use them i suppose which is why i heard a lot of people saying, "they suck!" Then i guess people gave em a go and now obviously they're REALLY strong (excluding mine for now lol).
So all this has really, really helped! ^_^ Thank you!!

Zodiak · Apr 30, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by MBP

much appreciated thanks zodiac..i think i'm gonna make 1 of each of your scythes...1 vampiric and 1 zealous

should i always have myst at 15? and are the attribute points i get from nightfall enough or do i need to go to prophecies too?

and 1 more thing...(i know i'm helpless...lol) but could you suggest what insignias to use and other runes in addition to the attribute runes?

Mysticism at 15 assures that your 5 energy enchantments will be free to you once they end.

Whatever you chose to put into this, make sure its a factor of 3, so run 12 or 15. There is a good point for running 12 in Mysticism, debating that you get 4 energy back for ending enchantments instead of 5, but your energy regen taking care of the missing 1. But many valuable skills you will be using are tied into the Mysticism line, so at 15 it increases and extends those.

If you chose not to put points into Healing Prayers then bump your scythe to 13, even higher towards 16 if you opt not use your superior rune for Mysticism and go for Scythe Mastery then instead.

It is worth mentioning that [skill]conviction[/skill] is another popular and handy skill.

The Wind Prayers line is mostly used for Running purposes as far as I know it

Servant of Kali · May 01, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by TarcellaCella

Umm, i was just wandering, what makes a person a good Dervish?

Being one with the Dervish

Thinking like a Dervish. Here, i summed it up in the other thread (it's similiar to Bushido warrior code):

The Dervish code:

I have no armor; the enchantments are my armor.
I have no slow attack speed; heart of fury is my attack speed.
I have no spike susceptibility; watchful intervention is my anti-spike.
I have no pressure; my scythe is my pressure.
I have no spike; overwhelming onslaught is my spike.
I have no downtime; lack of battle awareness is my downtime.
I have no law; Dharma is my law.
I have no purpose; "lila" is my purpose.
I have no principle; attunement to the flow of the Force is my principle.
I have no castle; faith is a fortress to me.
I have no home; in the depths of my being I make my home.
I have no parents; the earth and the sky are my parents.
I have no weaknesses; lack of skill is my weakness.
I have no enemy; inexperience is my enemy.

Van vincing · May 01, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

nice, but whts up with the castle,home,parents and principle thing

Servant of Kali · May 01, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Added for the flavor

(the original non-paraphrased version:
http://www.judoinfo.com/warrior.htm <= keep in mind that the eng translation varies among different websites, but it should give a general idea)